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From Winfried Deimel March 2016
I found some pictures from my father Hubert Deimel in 1964. He was an civil servant by RAF Winterberg. When i was a young boy, i often go with my fahter to visit your homes. So i now some body. we had also contact to the Familie from Mike Baker. We visit him in 2014 in Warwick. But now he will be die in Oktober 2015. In the fist picture you see my fahter (St. Nikolaus) with your comandant Mr. Laming I dont now who are the person in the second picture . I rember about a big party with St. Nikolaus and we children got present. I like to rember on it. The third picture is from a party named "Kartoffelbraten" do qou rember? In this Picture you see my fahter und my mother on the right. The Lady in the centre is the woman from Mike Baker named Anne. The next person was Mr. Krüger, he was also an civil servant. The man on the left side is unkown.Please excuse me, baut my englisch is not so good.


From Gary Ecclestone March 2016
late in the day but have just found your web site and enjoyed reading the letters. However I see that they stopped in 2014. Is there a reason for this? Perhaps the contributors are getting too old. I don’t suppose there’s anyone who remembers me, Gary Taffy Ecclestone, 88 this year, as I served in Winterberg as a radar op 1946 to 1949 but you never know. I was billeted in the Leisse but moved the Westfallen later. Great times skiing and playing football and many good memories.heersGary Ecclestone
gkeplan@ntlworld.com


 From Gary Godfrey (garygodfrey@virginmedia.com)
26 aug 2014
I was stationed at winterberg in 1949 in 1950 i moved to ames 7925 ai adenau, spent a year there until it closed in 1951, i was a gee operater, i was then posted to the southern gee chain, stationd at West Prawle, and then Truleigh hill, i visited adenau several times and still see my old girl friend. we have had several reunions and still do, i am meeting some old gee pals next month for lunch , some from adenau, vasserkooper, and other sites. I will be happy for you to put these details on your site. Kind regards, Gary Godfrey


From: freddyfrog042@outlook.com
: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:41:58 +0100

Hi Keith, Hope this reaches you.  I have fond memories of Winterberg, arriving there in June 1947 as a young 'erk'.  What luck, what a cushy posting, living in the Hotel Leisse with attractive frauleins in attendance.  All too soon, I was posted away to AMES 7925 Adenau (French Zone where I spent the rest of my tour driving all over the place, including all the other 'slave' radar sites.  I am an old guy now, but body and mind still function remarkably well.  Perhaps I shall hear from you and other CGGC (AMES) vets in time.  Hope so.  Freddy Jones 



From M Sykes Feb 2014
Re- Ian Muir August 2011.
While searching reunion sites stumbled accross Winterberg.1960-61 satationed at Hepberg, Ingolstadt.
Lived in a Hotel in the main st. Later moved to smaller one. Cannot remember Hotel names.
Memory not perfect, so i,m hoping Ian,it was you,myself and the chap in stores played football for
Auto Union Car company, now known as Audi.You mentioned George Riley, i'm sure he came from Norwich. He shared a room with Paddy Cosgrave.What a pair they were, true characters.
I shared a room with Roy Ward, he came from Birmingham. I spent alot of time with Norman, Jerry, Tony
Johnny and Butch ( from Sheffield ) who like me were the two MTDs.I remember Norman and Jerry bought Cars while there. If you bought Cars you had to own it for one year in Germany and two in England before you could sell them. The cars were Austin Cambridge and Renault Dauphine,We went Ski-ing in Seefeld ( falling over mainly ) and holidaying in Lido-de Jesilo, Venice ( excuse spelling, not Venice)
Brief RAF history, joined 1958 for 4yrs. 8 weeks at Wilmslow. Then stationed at RAF Hospital Wroughton. Met Wendy Taylor who i later married. Very happily married for 42yrs, but who sadly passed away 10yrs ago. Still in contact with Jean and Brian Rowitt, who i visit yearly. Last months spent at RAF Butzweilerhof, also happy times.
I was lucky to enjoy my football with Wroughton and Butz, two successful teams.
I truly hope this will bring back memories for someone who served with me. Many thanks.  M Sykes


 

From Amy.  December 2013
hello, my name is Amy,
my granddad had recently passed away in January, I was researching his name to find out more info on what he use to do as he use to tell me lots of storys, anyway I had stumbled upon your website wit his name in, Ken Whiley(K.C.H. WHILEY) you said you remember him from iburg, I was wondering if you had any more information or even photographs that you could possibly share with me?
I would love to know, please let me know if you can help, I have attached a photo to help you remember (: thankyou so much !!!
amywhiley57@yahoo.com



From Christian March 2013

Hi Keith; it`s a great idea to link your site l to my Worth Matravers site 
http://www.worthmatraversgee1949to51.talktalk.net/Correspondence.html
- to enable colleagues who served at both stations to establish contact.You may remember Jock Shepherd (Sgt) and Bob Kemp (Cpl) who ran the operator training course at Worth at the time of my departure.
                                                                                                                                                                          ;        ;          Chris Gannon March 2013.


From Geoff Feb 2013
Do either of you know the father in question of this poor “ Lass “, ?
Personally I have no idea at all of the rogue in question, but just interested to know if in fact he was one of our gang ? 
If he was, I would be interested to know. It was an awful illness that that so many of the lads suffered in silence ? This condition- “ Toomuchleadin de pencil ,“ one of the only helping treatments was – a good rubber supply, but as you see , that didn’t always rub-out-the mistake ????
 Geoff,

Translation by Google:
SEARCH URGENT MESSAGE!
Who know´s Robert Reed or his family?
Robert Reed was a soldier 1958 stationed in Germany (Winterberg).
Robert Reed is now 75 - 78 years and according to my birth certificate my father.
I hope to find him on Facebook, because all other
Experiments and investigations have failed.
In Winterberg at that time American, British and Belgian soldiers were stationed.
The picture shows Robert Reed and his friend Garry.
(Who is who I don´t know,picture was found by my mother with names written on the back )
Please help me find my father or if he already died, some information about him. 
Feedback to: r_orosz@yahoo.de



FEB 2013
Thank you for your recent and previous communications concerning Winterberg re-visited.
I regret to inform you that Roy Graiff passed away , peacefully, on the 23rd May 2012.
He often spoke warmly of his time in the RAF, but was not a party animal, so did not attend any of the reunions.
Yours sincerely,
Daphne Graiff


From: "JIM HOOPER" <jim.barb76@tesco.net>
To: "Geoff Lodge" <jglodge2006@talktalk.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 December, 2012 3:57:14 PM
Subject: Re: Barry Bernard interim report
Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the info about Barry. I am currently putting together my usual Xmas email to the lads and will include this, as I know several of them would like to know. That is unless you want me to wait until you have contacted his wife?

The 2012 electoral register shows them both still at 29 James St. This was obviously taken before he passed away.
I await your reply.
Best regards,
Jim
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From: "Geoff Lodge" <jglodge2006@talktalk.net>
To: "jim barb76" <jim.barb76@tesco.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 12 December, 2012 12:56:34 PM
Subject: Barry Bernard interim report
Hi Jim, Have just had a card from Barry’s widow telling me that he died from a heart attack , on 27th July , in Scarborough hospital.I want to follow this back to Marie, but I am not sure if she is at the address which I have.However , I am in contact with someone at the Royal Brit Leg, there I will pas this news to him to see if he can confirm that she still lives there, but there no longer has a phone.Let you know when “ I know owt “Geoff



Sept 2012
I have recieved some sad news from the daughter of Ron Mawdsley to say that he passed away in 2009.
It was only after he died that she was able to find our website but it came to late for Ron. He was a very good friend of mine and I tried several times to locate him but to no avail. It's sad, Jim, that another of our old friends has passed on but you can now update the site with this information. 
Well take care
Best wishes
Roy Adams


August 2012
Whilst looking at the RAF Winterberg site I was surprise to see a photo of my Dad taken at the G station RAF Uchte - Kuppendorf, it was sent in by a Rowland Stacey, and wonder if you have his e-mail address. I would very much like a copy of the picture.
Thanks
Jeremy Cotton 
I used to visit the tech site as an 11 year old, and used to spend time looking for lizards in the heather surrounding the mast site. We lived in Buckeburg and later Borgentriech. One final thing - a chap called Peter Magnall has written at the end of his piece "If I remember correctly there is a very interesting story attached to Flt. Sgt. Cotton which I might relate at a later date because it will take some time in the telling.Do you know what that story might be ? Thanks 
Regards 
Jeremy


January 2012
From Caroline Karimi-Ghovanlou
I was looking at your website about RAF Winterberg, and saw my fathers name on a list of personnel you are looking for. His name is Henry Raymond Weeks, he has been known as Harry or Ray. He was at Winterberg during 1956 -58, and he meet my mother there and they got married in Winterberg. Her name was Margot Erna Bahndorf and she worked in the NAFFI. Unfortunately mum died two years ago, and dad is in hospital after a major stroke and has not got long to live. He is now 94 years old. I was looking on the internet to get some information about the stations he served at and saw your web site. 
If you knew dad, it would be nice if you could relay any stories for the family. I do have some photos from that era at Winterberg - if you would like them, i can scan and send them to you.
I really look forward to hearing from you, and maybe found out what dad did during his time at Winterberg.
With kind regards
Caroline Karimi-Ghovanlou
caroline_ghovanlou@hotmail.com


NOVEMBER 2011
From Tony Humphrey
Hi Kieth, just found your Winterberg Site and have enjoyed reading. I was posted to Butz, in 1957 attached to 953S.U. after hanging arround for a few weeks we were sent to Adenau, a place I enjoyed especially as we were there when the 1000 KM race was on, most of the Jaguar race team spent the  evening before the race in our mess. We were invited to fhere pits on the day. We didnt stay long at Adenau, we were recalled to Butz to prepare to move to Troire Epis in Alsace, where we wre billeted in a local pension and looked after by the madam and her daughter. It was a very enjoyable  time especially the weekly visit to the public baths in Colmar. We eventually returned to Butz and joined with 330 SU and went to Handorf, stayed a while there be fore being sent down to Inglestat where we were billeted in the Hotel Adler. After Ingolstadt returned to Handorf for a while before  being sent to Bukeburg where I stayed until I was returned to U,K. in  late 59 back to the R.A.F. proper at Wartling in Sussex after further moves to Tr4immingham and Neatishead I was discharged in late 64 I joined in 1950 had a enjoyable time in all nice to look back on, I havent found or been in contact with any of the people I served with during my time on the Gee Chain, Regards Tony Humphrey 

SEPT 2011
FROM HEATHER FISHER
 i would be very pleased if you could put a little bit in about my father. 
 " Whilst stationed at RAF Uchte and living in Buckeburg (1962) my father, working on the Gee-Chain, F/Sgt Norman Wilcock, took ill and was admitted to RAF Wegberg hospital.  My mother and I were sent to a hiring in Winterberg, and my dad joined us when he was well.  We spent some time in Winterberg, and I loved the cinema - I remember seeing Leslie Caron in 'The L Shaped Room' there.  I remember our hiring was right behind the ski-jump and the winter was amazingly beautiful, especially sitting in the hotel eating cream cakes and looking out over the snow-covered trees and twinkling lights.  From Winterberg we went to Rheindahlen, then to RAF Henlow in Bedfordshire where my father finished his time, then went on to serve as a civilian in the Crystal Engineering Section as a TTOII until his retirement.  "

We must have just missed you as we were at Winterberg around 1963.  I say 'we' but firstly it was only my mother and then my father joined her - I was only there on holiday from boarding school - Windsor Girls School at Hamm.  I can't remember any names I'm afraid - apart from a very jolly gentleman called Paddy!  It is possible dad knew Chiefy Ayres and Peter Magnall - he had a better memory than me right up until the end!  Also photo of dad and I last Christmas.

Thank you so much and I will keep looking on the website, it really brought back memories.  Keep in touch,
HEATHER



A QUIET, UNASSUMING MAN
NORMAN WILCOCK – 1918-2011

It goes without saying that being in the Royal Air Force becomes a way of life that is richly satisfying for those of us that thrive on order and discipline, adventure and camaraderie.  Norman Wilcock was one of those people.  I say was, because he died on 19th March this year, aged 93 years young: he was my father, and this is my tribute to the man that he was.

Born on 10th January 1918 in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire, eldest son of a signwriter, he emigrated, due to the depression, in 1923 aged five, along with all of his family, to Flint, Michigan, USA.  They later moved to Grand Rapids, where he was educated, graduating from Grand Rapids Union High School in 1936. During his young life, he enjoyed having his family around him, especially his Grandparents, and he had an insatiable appetite for reading, attending the library every day.  He had a Model A Ford car, and mastered the mechanics of it, maintaining it himself.  He was fascinated with radios, and in his diary he would write how he took the radio apart and put it back together, good training for what was to unfold for him in the future. 

On 2nd February 1937 he returned to England and enlisted at RAF Cranwell as an Aircraft Hand Trainee Wireless Operator, and began his training.  The life in the Royal Air Force suited him well.  He was by nature well disciplined and lived by the rules, determined and fair, with a spirit for adventure.  At the onset of WWII, he was shipped out to the West Indies in his capacity as a Wireless Operator and played his part in communications, serving with Ferry Command in Trinidad, Bolem in Brazil, Bermuda, and a short time in Goose Bay, Canada. 

After the war, he went to Italy and Austria and played an active part in the Berlin Airlift.  On returning to England, his friend, Flight Lieutenant John Drummond, who served in the Intelligence Corps in Egypt throughout the war, took him to meet his family in Hamilton, Scotland.  There he met, fell in love, and married John’s sister Mary, my mother, his ‘Scottish heather-bell’ – hence my name. 

Norman’s brother Jimmy had joined the USAF and was often posted to England, and our families would meet up often over the years.  Two of Jimmy’s children, Debbie and Ed, were pilots in the USAF, and now fly for Fedex, so life in the forces was definitely a transatlantic force in our family.

Norman had a thirst for knowledge, and undertook many courses and training throughout his 29 year career in the Royal Air Force, and excelled in Aeronautical Inspection Services.  He was often away in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland working on equipment or erecting radar scanners in Stornoway on Lewis, Sumburgh or Saxa Vord on the northernmost tip of the Shetlands, whose motto was "Praemoneo de Periculis", meaning forewarn of danger, or Machrihanish on the Mull of Kintyre; on occasion to watch them being blown away out to sea by the ever-present gales!  Always willing and eager to help when needed, he would employ his expertise on obscure faults in equipment, working to a high degree of skill and knowledge, diagnosing and rectifying, preparing diagrams and technical and performance data for future use, and also working as an A.I.S. Instructor.
He enjoyed visiting different parts of the country, being stationed at Felixtowe, Glasgow, Kinloss - where he worked on Shackleton aircraft, then with the Gee-chain in Germany at Uchte, a short spell in Wegberg hospital, then Winterberg and in 1964 to his final posting at Henlow REU, where, as a Flight Sergeant, he worked as a Ground Radio Fitter in GRIS until his discharge on 23rd January 1966.  He then continued as a civilian at RAF Henlow in the capacity of Technical Telecommunications Officer, finishing in the Crystal Engineering Section, supplying crystals for the Falkland crisis and receiving the Commanding Officer’s Commendation for his service. 

On reading through my father’s Certificate of Service, these words stood out above all the others and say more about the man than I ever could.  His Air Force Conduct was assessed as ‘Exemplary’ and his nature as ‘quiet and unassuming’ but also ‘firm and determined’.  He was so proud of his service with the Royal Air Force, that, at the ending of his long life, as he lay in hospital, he would recount the many tales of his travels with a very special twinkle in his eye.



September 28/2011
Hi

by chance I found your website and was most interested.  Whilst stationed at RAF Buckeburg (1962) my father, working on the Gee-Chain, F/Sgt Norman Wilcock, took ill and was admitted to RAF Wegberg hospital.  My mother and I were sent to a hiring in Winterberg, and my dad joined us when he was well.  We spent some time there before being sent on to RAF Rheindahlen.  My father finished his time at RAF Henlow in Bedfordshire, then went on to serve as a civilian in the Crystal Engineering Section as a TTOII.  He always lived with me - I am his only child and he died aged 93 in March this year.  Could you please add him to your list as deceased.  He just lived for the Royal Air Force, he was so proud of his 30 year service.

Many Thanks

Heather Fisher



From Ian Muir August2011
Hi,  Just browsing I came across this website.  I was at Winterberg from the summer of 1961 until November 1961.  I was only there for a short time having spent 2 years on the 'H' Chain in Ingoldstadt.  I remember some of the people on the website such as Paul Simison.  I was on watch with Fred Prior and Ian Donnachie.  Fs Neil Stagg was the EO.  Sadly Sqn Ldr Fred Prior was  badly injured in the Clapham rail disaster.  I used to knock about with George Riley (ex Ingoldstadt) and Terry Swann, regularly visiting in the out of bounds bar halfway down the hill towards the village.  I well remember working on that huge transmitter which resembled an old fashioned fish fryer.  Lots of good times until I was  dragged kicking and screaming to Locking to start another coarse.  I eventually spent 30 years in the RAF.  Three tours in Germany (Bruggen and Gutersloh) and one in Libya (El Adem).  Apart from a tour on Bloodhound Mk2 spent most of my time at Henlow and N. Luffenham.  I would be interested in any news about Winterberg. 
Regards Ian Muir


From Dave Hall  July 2011
Just come across the www.RAFWinterberg.co.uk site - that must be the intro  to so many messages! 
 I spent a year or so at 7925 in late 49/50. 
 It was then the D slave for Central Germany Gee Chain with Winterberg as the  Master. I was initially posted to Winterberg for a few weeks then on to  7925. I have a photo of the daily sheep/goat parade through the town. 
 The domestic site for 7925 was in Adenau in what was the Jungendherberge  (youth hostel). 
 Quite a few photos of 7925 which I could copy to you if of interest. 
 I passed by in a coach a few years ago intending to take a photo, but it had  been demolished. 
 There is a small write-up in the RAF Air defence Museum Newsletter No 41  page 14, referring to the tech site located at Langenfeld when it was used  for OBOE in 1945. 
 I wrote a follow-up note which was printed on page 5 of issue 43 dated may  2005. 
 Best regards 
 Dave Hall 
 4017789 Ground Radar Fitter Dec 1946 to April 1974. 


From Keith Mason Jan 2011
Have added some recent E:Mails to this page. For myself I had an eventful year moving out of London to Leicester in Sept 2009 and then six months later selling up again and moving back to a new flat in London two minutes from my old place !
Keeping well apart from needing some treatment for eye problems.
Good wishes to everyone for 2011
Keith Mason


From Brian Stiff   June 2011
I have just found the RAF Winterberg Website and spent the whole morning reading all the news. My wife is complaining that I have been here too long and ignored one of my daughters phone calls to wish me a happy fathers day.
I was at the North German Gee Chain from the middle of 1960 to December 1962.
I spent six months at Iburg before being posted to Uchte. I still have fond memories of "Doggy".
There is reference to the Lightning Strike episode, this followed a record period on no D.O.R's.
I remember the phone wires being melted in the wall and the generator slip ring brushes being welded on.
I have difficulty remembering names, but I do remember W.O. Hallam at Iburg, and I think Ken Lacey was still there.
The reunion talks of Rex Dempster, I was with him through RAF Locking training, square bashing at Bridgnorth and signing on, his number is next to mine, I still remember his Birmingham accent.
We were trained on the old row of black boxes type of gear, with many Pye Plug connections that kept falling out. We were shocked to find three sleek cabinets with the new Cossor Automatic Gee when we arrived on station. When I left the unit the wind down had started, lots of gear was being shipped out and the sites closed, I believe, In early 1963, replaced by the new Decca Navigator system. This has now been replaced by GPS.
Somewhere in the recesses of my loft I have some copies of the old " G News" that circulated round the chain in the 60's and no doubt some pictures.
I will try to find them and send copies to you.
All this was a long time ago and the memory is not what it was.
I now live in Pevensey Bay, near Eastbourne.
Regards,
Brian Stiff.
(J/T, made up to Cpl. when posted to Uchte.)


From John Welsh Jan 2011
Hi all from John and Mia Welsh, 
Jim has conveniently put together a mailing list so I thought it would be a good idea to tell you all about some of the changes which have taken place in Winterberg over the last 55 years,  It was great to read your news and to see that our generation, now 70+ is still keeping active. 
You may recall that I married a local girl from Winterberg, we lived first in England for 23 years, then in the States for 7 years and the last 22 years here in Olsberg.  Our town is located some 20 km down the Ruhr valley from Winterberg and is 400m lower in altitude making for a milder climate.  First by visiting my in-laws and then by living in the area, I have been able to track the many changes that have taken place since we were stationed in Winterberg and even since our last get-together 13 years ago. 
In the 50's, during our time in Winterberg, the main occupation of the town was farming on the margin due to the short growing season, most houses had one or two cows in the basement and you will all remember the 100's of cows aimlessly making their way back to their stalls in the evening, not to mention the dung heaps everywhere. The main industry was the textile factory making underwear, a sawmill and a factory producing screws.  Tourism was mainly in the Winter with special trains bringing day visitors from the industrial Ruhr. 
Now the cows are long since gone and the number of active farmers can be counted on one hand, the textile factory has been turned into retail establishments, the sawmill is a sports centre and the screw factory an unused, dilapidated building.  The town is now an all year round tourist resort due to significant investment much of which comes from Holland which is not surprising as the Dutch can travel here in two to three hours.  At 800m, the snow cover in Winter is very unpredictable, this problem has been solved by the use off 100's of snow cannons, there is a complex of linked ski slopes called the Ski Carousel.  Ski tourists can now come with the certainty they will be able to ski, so long as it’s cold enough to make the snow. 
The Summer tourists to the area used to be walkers which these days would not attract the younger generation and here solutions have been found.  Mountain biking is now ‘in’ and in an area where there is freedom to roam over hundreds of miles of trails it pulls in the enthusiasts.  Behind our old camp is a series of down hill bike trails where the bikers can leap off 2m high platforms and, when at the bottom of the run, they are brought back to the top of the hill by the ski lift so it does good business in Summer as well as Winter.  The local hospital now deals with more broken bones in Summer than in Winter.  Other attractions for the younger generation are slides down the steep hills. 
At big improvement to the centre of town has been the construction of a road tunnel which takes the trough traffic.  It would otherwise be unliveable with the large number of heavy trucks which take this north/south route to avoid the motorway toll.  Where five road came together is now a traffic free pedestrian zone, see attached film. 
What about the inclement weather?  Several holiday complexes have been built with undercover facilities: in Medebach is a Center Park, in Winterberg, Hapimag which is an up market time share operation and now a Dutch group have invested €46million in a holiday complex located behind the ski jump.  In the Kurpark, another Dutch group are making a multimillion investment with a small contribution from the town of Winterberg for the constuction of a 5* hotel which has just started. 
What happened to our old watering holes? A few still exist although considerably changed: Hessenkeller, Cafe Engemann and Cafe Krämer for example.  Mörchen is no longer for Après Ski it has been converted to the Nudelhaus, which specialises in serving pasta dishes. The Milkbar bit the dust, it was first moved then became bankrupt and stands in a derelict building. Evening entertainment is now provided in the industrial area out of town where several big halls have been built to cater for modern tastes, Mia and I did look in at one of them and quickly retreated from the sound of the loud rap music. Of course, MacDonald's and Subway have set up shop. 
I have produced a short video which you should find on the below link, if it does not work, look me up on YouTube under olsbergjohn, you should find the film amongst the junk put on the side by my grandchildren.  I am also on Facebook, give me a ‘Poke’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBF34CeV-q4


From Fred Jones Jan 2011
Hi Keith, Whilst browsing the internet, discovered the Winterberg website.  Well, well, thought I was the last one left to remember it.  I was posted there in the summer of 1947.  Hugely exciting, my first time abroad, I couldn't wait to see it all. 
    Sailed from Hull to Cuxhaven and from there on a crowded trooptrain arrived at Hamm with two other lads.  A truck came for us and we reached Winterberg in the wee hours of the morning. Billeted in the Hotel Leisse.  Later, sent off to AMES 9725, Adenau (French Zone) and remained in that pretty spot in the Eiffel mountains until returning to UK in 1949.  If you want to know more and this text gets through (I'm fairly new to computers), I shall happily tell you more.  Alles gute. Ein frohliches neues Jahr sendet dir 
Freddy Jones

Hi Keith, 
so glad my msg got through.  Ah, Winterberg.  I was young then and the girls were pretty.  They were also pretty in Adenau and I married one.  She is still alive, but not with me!  Enough of that.  I saw much of Germany as I was then a DMT (driver).  Drove the radar guys back and forth to Tech Site, collected weekly rations from Wahn.  Took everyone everywhere.  King of the road, hardly any traffic.  Went to Hamburg, very exciting.  Trips to AMES 7924 (Fulda, Wassekuppe), AMES 7926 (Iburg) etc, etc.  Winterberg a splendid place and a  great leave centre.  Had the whole leave centre to myself once in the depths of winter.  I have a few pics of myself, but not in Wberg.  Don't know how to put them on computer yet unfortunately.  Now mustn't overwhelm you.  Look forward to reading about other guys who served in BAFO then. 
Freddy. 

From Pete Hoyes
 Dec 2010
Hello everyone,
How nice to receive e,mails from a few of you at this time of the year, the current weather brings back a flood of memories of 1956 my god it was cold, we have had another dumping of snow again today.
Elaine and i keep in good health but i have had open heart surgery and a hip replacement since i was last in contact but nothing in the last year so i am OK now but can not walk very far,i am tearing around without tax and insurance on an electric scooter so watch out.
We would like to wish you all seasons greetings and a healthy and prosperous New Year.
Cheers for now Peter & Elaine Hoyes. 

From Phil Hastings Dec 2010
Hello All 
Thank you for all the notes and greetings.  I shall have a busy and noisy Christmas with 3 of my sons and a daughter-in-law visiting.  I get to cook the turkey.
I still work full time, so I have little time to prepare Christmas until it actually arrived.  One day i shall be able to retire again again.  But then what would I do with my time? 
I hope you are all having a lovely and fulfilling feast day.
best wishes
Phil

From George Stidwell  Dec 2010
Hi all
Yes, I’m still around & keeping in good health.
It is great to receive these emails from so many of you. This snow certainly brings back happy memories of my time at Winterberg & I often think of the ski runs we used to attempt & our visits to the Bobhaus. I am hoping to get some photos sorted out for the web site & my New Year resolution must be to get this done!
Best wishes & good health to you all for 2011 
George Stidwell

From Geoff Budd Dec 2010
Hi Jim (and Barb)
What a very pleasant surprise to receive your note - which prompted a visit to the website and visions of past " very happy times" and some good friends recalled . Most of my collection of photos record those younger days showing " many drinking scenes and revelry " - usually in the Mess/Canteen. There are some too with the fleet-footed Jim in soccer attire ! as well as Dortmunder in hand !! Our RAF days certainly made a deep and lasting impact to our lives - and personally, attributed as a  direct overbearing influence in my return to work and live with the Military and families in Germany - albeit as a civilian . Did not know at that time than John Welch was married and residing in Winterberg, as I made several visits to our "holiday home". Time spent at Asten Tower & Fixer-sites , Ruhr Quelle as well as Camp compound. Memories !
The day we played for " RAF England " at Wohra saw fraternisation and friendship with the natives ... which created quite an adventurous experience when we revisited the village those several years later - the lads left a  lasting and favourable impression !! Those were the days with happy memories.
Would have liked to have attended the last Re-union - ( in Retford ?) - but not quite so well - health-wise. In Autumn 2009 and early 2010 saw hospital visits - with the knife man removing toe - then toes & part foot - before by-passing the lower leg stage - and choosing the leg amputation . Hence should we be ever meeting again in the future I should need " to be wheeled in " ... a term that used to have alternative interpretations !! Should have asked the medics to make me one of your masks  .. you dont appear to have hardly aged !!
Do let Keith have my e-mail address for his ( official ) records , Good to see so many "survivors" on the list.
With very best wishes and cheers for the Festive Season -  Do Keep in Touch. Regards as ever -
geoff 

From Johnny Walker Nov 2010
Hi Jim and Barbara,
What a nice surprise this morning to see your Email and 3 replies already. Sorry to hear about your weather there, it is much the same over here in Washington State, but expected at this time of year.
We had our bi-annual trip to Yorkshire this past September and had a great time. Went to the Isle of Man for 4 days, just wonderful. If you have never been, try it.
Best wishes to you for the festive season, and to all the lads 1954 -1956, not forgetting those who came after and met at re-unions
Johnny and Sandra Walker

From Jim Hooper Nov 2010
Hi Everyone,
Just thought I would drop a line to you all as I haven't heard from many of you in recent times except  for the odd Xmas card.
At the moment we are experiencing a little of the old Winterberg weather, but I don't think I'll go skiing. Those were the days!!
Both Barbara and I are keeping in good health despite the ever increasing number of birthdays!
I trust you are also in good health and hope you will be kind enough to reply to my email so I know you are still out there.
With best wishes to you all,
Jim Hooper (Ex SAC Grd. Mech. Gee)



From Christine Feb 2010

I happened on the RAF Winterberg website today and was particularly interested in "Reflexions on a Chain of Events" by Ray Barker.  I think he might have been in Winterberg at the same time as my father.  It's great to know that so many other people have such good memories of their time there. 

My dad was LAC Allan Ramage, a Scotsman, who played the piano at RAF social events in Winterberg.  He was billeted in Hotel Leisse, I think, and his good friend in the RAF was Joe Reynolds, who married a Winterberg girl, Mia Engemann.  I believe Dad worked mostly at Kahler Asten.  I still have the photos which he took during his time in the area (very snowy scenes!).  He loved Winterberg and the surroundings and took us (mother, me and my sister) back to Winterberg many times, starting in 1958, and we had at least 15 summer holidays there, touring the area and visiting families he had become friendly with in wartime.  He died in 1982, but my mother and I continued to visit Winterberg several times after that; last time in 1995.

If there is room on your website, it would be great if you could publish my message, with my e-mail address, to see if there is anyone around who remembers my dad.

Regards,
Christine Ramage cmckr@hotmail.co.uk


From Norman Webb Jan 2010
Hi .
      my names norman webb.l am mailing even though l was not in the RAF, but was a member of 2nd fld sqdn Royal Engineers, in 1954 we built a ski hut right next to the open air ice rink to accomodate service personel who came for winter warfare training, l remember the old stores where we used to collect our ski's and white canvas suits, it was right next to the ski school, and l got quite friendly with one of the instructors, l used to give him a couple of packets of senior service cigarettes and he used to wax the ski's for me, also join in one of his classes. Unforgettable times.incidently a lot of old sweats like me will remember the Dew drop inn which was run by the Church of Scotland,where we used to go to thaw out; hope you didnt mind me mailing and hope you find it of interest.
best wishes to a great website. Norman Webb.
 bowling22@blueyonder.co.uk
 

From Kent  August 2009
Keith,

Many thanks for your prompt reply.  It was good that you were able to have a RAF unit reunion there a few years back.  We never did from my days with the 32d. Tank Battalion at Friedberg.  However, I did organize a mini-reunion here in San Antonio five years ago for eight members of the Headquarters and Service Company that I was able to locate.

I had never heard of the Dewdrop Inn until yesterday when I was searching Google Earth for the Kurhaus. 

I have just received a message from the Visitor's Bureau in Winterberg updating me on the Kurhaus.  It is now the Winterberg Town Hall.  It seems a very large building to be used for that purpose in such a small community, but it is a nice setting for them.

If I locate any old 35mm slides I took in the 1960-1964 area of the Kurhaus or around the area that might interest your group - I'll send them to you.

I discovered your web page today while looking for information that would identify the exact location of the British Forces Recreation Area at the Winterberg Kurhouse.  In the early 1960's, while stationed south of Giessen we would often spend long weekends at the Kurhouse.  My wife is English, and it was like a touch of home for her.  It was also the first place that I had kippers for breakfast.  I'll always remember that! 

In looking at your web site I noticed two aerial photos of Winterberg 
Is the first picture showing the British Recreation Center Kurhouse in the foreground?  It does look like I remember it.   I then went to Google Earth and tried to locate the same place.  There has been a lot of growth since the 1960's, but I think I located the place.  I have attached a copy of it from Google Earth.

I would appreciate it if you could let me know if  what I have found is, indeed the place we remember.  If so, I'll start looking to see if I have a picture of the place and post it on Google Earth via Panoramio.
 

Kent Hoffman
 San Antonio, TX USA

kenth1@netzero.com
kenthoffman@sbcglobal.net



From Jack Sweet   August 2008

I have read with great interest the Winterberg pages and saw a letter from John Phillips about 889 SU.  I served with 1 Signals Wing from April 1956 to April 1958 on the HQ Unit at Wildenwrath, Butzweilerhof and Handorf plus a detachment to 330 SU, as Admin Corporal, when it was at the Kalmit from July  to September 57, the site was then closed down and we returned to 'Butz' and on to Handorf with the HQ unit and where 330 was 'refitted' and I was transferred back to HQ as Corporal Clerk Personnel.  The HQ Unit moved to 'Butz' in August 1956 and to Handorf in October 1957.
John Phillips mentioned a Radar Op. being burnt to death in an office truck at 889,  this was a chap called 'Geordie' Carlin, who I knew at 'Butz' and I dealt with the paper work for the Inquiry.  I recall that 'Geordie' was about to go on demob and it was believed that he went to sleep smoking a cigarette which set his blankets on fire  -  a terrible tragedy as he was great guy.
I was posted to 1 Sigs after 8 months with the RAF Regiment at the LAA Gunnery School at RAF Watchet and after the Regiment 'bull'  1 Sigs was a wonderfully informal organisation but very efficient with the equipment we had to operate  and with a grand crowd  of all ranks under our CO Sqn Ldr Colborne, and (who can forget him) the Adj, Flt Lt 'Rusty' Rust!!
If you can spare the space in the web pages I'll put together a few more stories and list some of the chaps I served with. 
Best wishes 
Jack Sweet  4169319.JACKWILLIAMSWEET@aol.com


From John Jewel, May 2008

Hi ,  these lads were at Winterburg in 1950,please add Raymond Codd
medic, John Jewell MT, cpl McKinley,Neville Trever Hawks MT.

I found these photo's not very good,were taken with a old brownie
camera a long time ago.in 1950  we were the central Germany gee chain
then ( CGGC) consisting Winterberg the main station,Wasserkupe(American
zone)and Adena u(French zone)the photo of the Leisse was our billet 

thanks john 




From Malcolm Jones May 2008

Hi, I was posted to Winterberg at the end of 1946 as a Wireless Mechanic,and was billeted in the Leise and then the Westfallen.I was also detached to Iburg~Adenau and Wassercuppe overlooking the Russian sector.Stations 7926~7924~7925 and 7926( not in order ).
The C/o was Wing Com. Troughton and the Signals officer was Flt Lt Baker.The other Wmechs were Johnny Hollowood from Manchester and neil XXXXXXXXXXX. I was due for demob in Nov 1948 but all demob's were postponed.I was then posted to RAF Eindhoven, and then to RAF Schleswigland near to the Danish border. Finally demobbed in December 1948.

                 best wishes to any one who served on CGGC

                           Malcolm Jones    2333422

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From John Phillips April 2008

Hi Keith
Old age my dates were... Worth October 1956-December 1956 Gee Training.
Yes the Old Tea shop at Worth as well.
Without boring the pants off you
From January - August 1957 SAC as Gee Operator at Worth both at Monitor station Southern Chain and B Slave station South Western Chain at Worth.
In September 1957 shipped to Butzweilerhof  for 1 month before being posted to 330SU RAF Handorf near Munster. There to February 1958 posted to 889 SU Shleswigland, Eckenforde/Maikammer/Kalmit. I was posted as 889 SU were short one Radar operator.decapitated on runway, another Radar op burnt to death in Office Tender and another killed hitting tree in Van. We were billeted in a Hotel by a wine field. I preferred Beer.Kalmit was great with views but under Canvas in winter not good.
I have photos of myself and mates in both Gee units Would these be any good for your site..especially the Unit football team 889 SU at Shleswig.
I have a photo of me and the NAAFI girl outside the RAF WORTH MATRAVERS sign.
Have you been approached by anyone else over this period I would love to share old times but I have been unable to contact anyone over these 3 years under Forces reunited and various other service site.
Heres a couple of photos from 889Su
One is the 889 Football team early 1958 At RAF Schleswigland.
I am on fron row 3rd from left
Back row  left to right
L Foster, Brian Cuthbert, John Cutler, Dick Richards Derek Jeffery Dave W..woth & L Cook
Front row l-r
C Fluste? Derek Mason , myself "Flash Phillips" & DJ Smith 

the 2nd photo is of myself & Mick "Stores" in May 1958 889 SU digging our way back to out tents at the Kalmit nr Ludwigsburg.
 

Kindest regards

John Phillips (Flash) APhill1274@aol.com 


click on phots to enlarge



From Ron Powers July 2007
Thanks for making the contact.   When I got the salute from you in the Forces Reunited Website I wasn't a member of it.    So I paid up the subscription (tough for a Scotsman) and became a member just to make that contact with you and of course that contact didn't materialize.     All is well now though.   I have attached the two pictures of Bob's car following the accident but all other photos that I have I will send to the alternative e-mail address.   I have been busy this afternoon looking through the shoe box containing old pictures and have scanned about twenty that should be of interest.   A lot of the names of the chaps in the pictures fail me but I am sure some of them will recognize themselves.    I will re-size the photos to about 100 Kb's each.

     Looking at the pictures in your website, the one of the snowman gave me a chuckle as I was the guy who made him.    Someone christened him Corporal Vic if I remember rightly.   I did it following a heavy snow fall one evening when I was on "Guard" duty.   Most of the camp were at the camp's cinema and  came out just as I was finishing it.    I remember too that the following day the sergeant (whose name fails me) got a work detail together to clear the snow from the road in the camp and despite pleas by some of us sprogs for Corporal Vic to remain on duty he ordered it to be removed.

     Besides you Keith and myself, was  Bob Ray the name of the owner of the car we had the accident in and what was the name of the fourth chap?    I can remember he came from Bristol but his name eludes me.    I remember well the German family who took us into their home to await the Military Ambulance.   Really very hospitable people.   Their house is in the background of one of the car pictures.   I remember too, the four of us returned to their house each of us with a gift in appreciation for them looking after us when they did.   I remember the four gifts.   A bottle of whisky, a carton of cigarettes, a large jar of coffee and a large package of toilet soap.   All the items were purchased from the camp's NAAFI at about ten shillings each and all would have cost an awful lot more for the locals to purchase.   I remember too the family came to Winterberg when we were all on duty in the tower and they treated us all to a meal in the Astenturm Hotel and gave each of us a hand made photo frame.   Sadly I do not know what happened to my one.

     My time at Winterberg was the highlight of my three years in the RAF.   Again Keith, thanks for the memories, I will be in touch again very soon.



From Ron Powers July 2007

G'day Keith,

     Over a year or so ago I received a salute from you on the Forces Reunited website and I attempted to contact you by e-mail at that time but no response.   Today I found your Winterberg website.   Brilliant !!!   I have numerous photographs I am sure you will find of interest but note I need to send them to a different e-mail address.   Would you please oblige me with that address. 

     I have spent a very pleasant couple of hours viewing the website, so many familiar names and some familiar faces.   If you cannot put a face to my name Keith then a wee jog of the memory, I was the Scottish member of your watch from Sept. 58 to Aug. 59.   I was also in Bob's (?)  Austin A30 when we ran into the back of that wee truck in Warstein which kind of spoiled our day out.   I have a couple of pictures of that car following the accident.

     I look forward to hearing from you and contributing to the website.   Incidentally I am resident in South Australia so would find it difficult to attend any future reunion should there be one.

Cheers,
     SAC Ron Powers.

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From Guy Strudwick July 2007

The "Forces Reunion" website was recommended to me by a fellow bowler and I had a look at it today.
I see that Winterberg is mentioned but I can find no reference to the other members of the chain; and especially I was thinking of Uelsen, where I spent the majority of my time in Germany. I was hoping to perhaps get in touch with some friends I made during my time there (approx. Jul. 56 -  June 57).
I am sure you know of this site but do you have any advice or contacts at this base?
I hope that you are keeping well.
Kind regards,
Guy. 


From Archi Marinez March 2007
I just came across this item on the internet as I was searching for information about winterberg, Germany.  I was stationed  at Winterberg with the United States Air Force at what we called OL 9 from 1959-1961 when the U.S.A. closed the radio relay site we operated at the Astenturm.  We lived in what was called the Beacon Haus, there was six US Air Force.  The Beacon Haus was just down the street from the Dew Drop Inn, which was operated by NAAFI.

Not far from the Beacon Haus was the RAF Station.

I have been back to Winterberg many times and find I miss the old days when the cows went out to pasture.

I would appreciate any and all information you might have about people that might remember the Milk Bar, Haus Hildegard, and the Stadtshenke.

Archie Martinez, USAF Retired
Winterberg, Germany 1959-1961

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From Gerry Jan 2007
Goodday, Keith.

I've just found your RAFWinterberg site. I have been Internetting to see if I can spot Winterberg Hotel in which I was billeted 1946. I can't.
My name is Gerry, 81, living in Canberra Australia sinc e 1966. From Matlock, Derbyshire and other England places previously.
I was army, in Air Formation Signals 1944-1947, Normandy , Ghent, RAFMerignac (Bordeaux) 1945/6, Brussels shortly, Winterberg shortly on detachment, lastly at RAFIstres (Marseilles). I arrived at Winterberg by lorry from Wahn via Iserlohn 1946 just at the end of the snow season to maintain your switchboard, telephone lines and stuff while the regular man went on leave. Table tennis and darts was the normal duty. Haircut cost one cigarette at the barber shop down the road. (20 cigs. was worth as much on the black market as our German telephonist's weekly wage). The local bus stopped for lunch twice weekly - powered by a gas producer, with logs on the roof and had to be push-started by the passengers.

All a lot of my reminscent rubbish. Interesting to read about RAFWinterberg history.

Best regards and have a good day Keith.


From Tony Conlin Nov 2006
Please can you let me have details for the video.
>I am Tony Conlin ex RAF Winterberg Fixer station
>June 1959 - December 1961. In my spare time I helped
>run the camp cinema. The following are well remembered
>Rex Dempster, Brian Fell(BIG ELVIS FAN),Bob McAllister,Charles Farquhar,Cpl 
>Cahill,Dagmar,(admin),Herr Franski,(guardroom night-shift).
>Many thanks Tony

From Jim Welsh 15-09-04
I was in Iburg from 1959 to 1961.  I am Jim Walsh ex SAC and the bottom site storeman.  I remember Cpl Jock Hague, Cpl Baz Chapman, "Doc" Milledge, Ken Lacey.  Paddy Henrick was storeman at top site. Have enjoyed the photos on website. 
Jim Walsh

From John Spraggs 19-08-04
Found your site. I was a National Service man from 1952 to 1954 and served as a radar instructor at RAF Worth Matravers. I remember some of the lads I taught went to Germany but cannot remember names. Would be interested to make contact again. F/Sgt Russell wasi/c school, Also the senior instructor was Cpl.Witham who I believe had a very bad motor cycle accident.
Regards
ex Cpl Spragg


From Trefor Evans May 6th 2004
I have set up my site for the North German Gee Chain. It is at www.trefor4.co.uk, can you link it in with the Winterberg site? or give me a plug.  I am still loading data onto the site and I am a bit slow as I am new to site building. 
Regards,
Trefor Evans
From Chris Lamsdell May 2004
Out of interest what was the full name of Cpl Lamsdell - my father was not in the RAF, but was posted to Germany in Guards 57/58 - there are not many with this surname spelling and I have got him going. They used to go to Winterberg sking etc.
My father was interested on who the lamsdell was as it is not a particularly commmon spelling and there are not too many of them about - someone in the family is doing one of these family tree things
Chris Lamsdell <lamsdell@tiscali.co.uk>
7th Feb From Dr. Christian Freitag
I have changed my email address. From now on it's Deutschhelgoland@aol.com. Would you please change my address on the RAF Winterberg Homepage?
I have already made some interesting contacts with Old RAF Winterberg People.
All the best,
Christian
(Dr. Christian H. Freitag)
7 February From Bob Allen
I arrived at Uchte late 54 or early 55 - the first arrivals - via Butzweilerhof, Winterberg and Nienburg.   Moved to Nordhorn when 'up-graded' to Corporal in 1956.
Visited Uchte twice since my demob in 1956 to visit German friends and enjoyed a Weiner schnitzel at the local Hotel.   Roy Finnigan and I intend visiting this year, the 50th anniversary of the 'occupation'.
I am keen to contact Harry English before we visit - can you supply his address?
Grateful
With best wishes
Bob Allan

1st Feb 2004 From Roger Rutter
Due to being constantly bombed with 'spam' and unwelcome viruses have changed internet provider - my new e-mail address is rogerhrutter@aol.com Best regards, Roger 

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21st December 2003 From Richie Butcher
I am in the RAF and I'm based at Princess Royal Barracks (Ex RAF Gutersloh) with 1Regt Army Air Corps, approx. 1 hours drive north of Winterberg. There are only a handful of us RAF chaps left here and I was fascinated to find your web page when I was trying to find out a little about Winterberg so that I can take the Kids down to see the snow. The trip will be especially interesting now, the web site is very interesting, thank you all very much
Richie.


05-12-03 From Pete Hardwicke 416 SU.
sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but here are a few names I can remember from those far - off days on the German GEE chain.

Fg.Off McCarthy
Fg.Off C A O'Regan
F/S Schofield
Ch/T Kelt
Sgt Evans
Cpl Dave Bodley
Cpl Ray Stainer
Cpl Ted Timms
J/T Johnny Hitchin
J/T Alan Parr
SAC Johnny Cane
LAC Botwright

Unfortunately I haven't traced any others on 'Servicepals' website, although I've got a contact page there for anyone from 416 SU who might see it.
Pete


24-04-03  From Gary Ireland re Alan Ireland
Just found your website, what a marvellous site it is to. My father served at Winterberg in the 50s. His name is Alan Ireland. He now lives in Truro, Cornwall with my mother Joyce Ireland nee Carter. They first met over the airwaves! My mum served at 2nd TAF Ops room and my dad was at RAF Fassberg (spelling?) in RDF.
I am sure he would love to hear from anybody who knew him or my mother. I will up date proper details after I have spoken to my father. He will pleased as punch to know I found a site like yours. Keep up the good work.
Best regards
Gary Ireland 

I posted a letter on  your wonderful website asking if anybody knew my father, Alan Ireland. We have had a number of replies but these have been via the phone. I also failed to put my contact address. Please could you put my fathers name in the contacts through my address and I will forward them to him. My address is garyshack@aol.com and phone number is 0771 9522 796. 
Many thanks for a wonderful site, keep up the good work.
Kindest regards

Gary Ireland 

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20-03-03 From Ray Codd
My name is Ray Codd, I recently found your web page and was amazed at the amount of letters from people who where at RAF Winterberg. I was at RAF Winterberg (AMES 7932)from May 1950 till the unit closed in January 1951. I was one of two medical orderlies posted there, the other one was (Nevill (Taffy)  Gratton) who was posted on to Wassekuppe AMES 7924.We lived in the Hotel Leisse in the town centre. I was posted to Adenau 7925. later came back to Winterberg and went as relief medic to Iburg. I did later go to Wassekuppe for several weeks.I then remained in Winterberg at the hotel Leisse until it closed.I was then posted to RAF Sylt until demob in October 1951.
I will always remember the friends I made in those days. I have very many happy memories of Winterberg. We all left in January 1951 when it closed down.   I have a few photos of friends I had there and a photo of the Hotel Leisse as it was then.  AC1 Codd. (Doc)


09-03-03 From Mike Baker
Hello,
   I took your name from the RAF Winterberg website. I was there 63/67 and I am going on one of many visits in Aug. I am wondering if there is anyone that would like to come along. Do you know such a person? It will be by car with an outbound diversion into NL and returning via LUX & F. I  want to be in Winterberg for Kirmas. Total duration 10/14 days.
     Please acknowledge and then think about it.
              Regards, Mike Baker, ex DO588869 Sgt
michael_k@tiscali.co.uk

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09-03-03 From Laurence Gooddy

I have just found your page(s) on the North German GEE chain, very 
impressive.

I was at the Nordhorn site when it started in late 1954, or was it early 
'55? In the summer of '54 I was hauled out of a nice quiet ROTOR radar 
station at Goldsborough in Yorkshire and shipped, along with about 250 
others, to a holding station near Cologne (Butzweilerhof I think). I, 
along with three others were given a job to equip a truck for a field 
operation with a Rebecca beacon and were sent up to Nordhorn as an 
advanced party to provide a Navaid for RAF bombers using the bombing 
range there. Apparently they often missed the range and the Germans were 
wondering if the war had started again!

I was a three year man just starting my last year as a Junior Tech/ 
Corporal, trained on heavy ground radar and was by then quite accustomed 
to the comfort of living in a mahogany adorned air conditioned  bunker 
under 20 feet of concrete with the latest equipment that money could 
buy. Working out of 1940's trucks with equipment in old tin cans that 
should have been junked in 1945 came as quite a shock.

In Nordhorn we seemed to be a detachment from RAF Iburg and had to rely 
on the bombing range crew for food and communication. However, we were 
not billeted with them, but instead lived in a modern house commandeered
for us in a small suburb of the town. The food was terrible, most of our 
cigarette ration disappeared on the way from Guterslow and in general, I 
don't think any of the SU crew that arrived there found the place very 
inspiring.

We set up the GEE station up on the moors NW of Nordhorn and of course 
turned in the Rebecca beacon, which had not been seen by the Canberra's 
for the initial two weeks of operation because it was mistuned by 20 mHz 
due to a poorly calibrated wavemeter!

I have some pictures of the crew and the site somewhere and will try and 
dig them out, clean them up and send them if you are interested. Seems 
to me that this initial set-up period does not have much, or any 
coverage on your pages and this might jog some memories. Let me know if 
there is anything I might contribute. Not much I suppose at this late 
date, and I have never been good with people's names, but the year in 
Germany was probably one of the most crital and positive episodes of my 
life in terms of my feelings regarding other peoples in this world.

Very best regards,    Laurence Gooddy  (Laurie) ex Corp/JT

Location:  Ottawa, Canada
Phone:  613-824-3371
E-mail: lgooddy@rogers.com

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From Gary Godfrey Jan 22nd 2003
I was a radar operator on the Cental Germany Gee Chain AMES 7925 from 1949 to 1951 ,when it was closed . The site I was on was the B slave at a village called Adenau which is also the Home of the German Grande Prix. the master station was Winterberg and the other slave was Fulda in the Tyrol. When the site was closed I was posted to West Prawle c slave and then spent the next three years at Truleigh hill in Sussex. 
If their are any reunions of any Gee stations I would be pleased to be invited, regards Gary Godfrey



From Gordon( Taffy) Evans Dec 2nd 2001
Hello,
My name is Gordon(TAFFY) Evans and I was based at Winterberg in the Hotel Liesse opposite Hotel Central during Sept.1949/May 50.  I was the MTF in the transport section AC2
The Chief technical officer at the time was Flt. Lft. Naylor. If you have been in contact with anyone from this time based in Winterberg I would be interested to hear from them and yourself with any information I may find of interest. I HAD A GREAT TIME THERE AND IT WAS THE BEST POSTING I EVER HAD IN GERMANY!! 
Thank You,

(01443) 473749

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From Dr. Christian H. Freitag, Hohenfels, Germany Dec 2nd 2001
I lived in Winterberg as a boy of 9 at the end of the 1950ies and I can still remember RAF Winterberg very well. My uncle worked in the RAF bar in the 1940ies, later he had a shop in Hauptstrasse and traded with Herr Wilmes who, in those days, was in charge of the food supply for RAF Winterberg. I remember how we loaded the RAF lorries with the crates and boxes in front of my uncle's shop. I also remember the Kurhaus and the Alte Kurhaus ("Snow Inn") complex - an "outlandish" area, fenced off, but open to fantasy ... 
I would very much like to go down RAF Winterberg Memory Lane, seen from a little German boy's point of view. Will there be another reunion for RAF Winterberg? Would it be possible to participate, as one who stood "on the other side of the fence", 40 years ago, I wonder? 
With best wishes, 
email: freitags-kalkofen@t-online.de 
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November 2001 From Albert Ratcliffe

I was stationed at Winterberg in 1954 and 1955, although my name is Albert I would possibly be more remembered as Alf that played the piano.  We lived in the Sports Hotel and at some stage moved to billets further up the road.

Thanks to Alan Donaldson who first contacted me we have been able to find with the aid of my UK2000 CD Eddie (Geordie) Halpin who lives in Northumberland, Tony Simmonds in Waterlooville, Ken Partridge in Sudbury and Maurice (Mo) Smout in Plymouth.  I have put out an appeal on the www.watn.co.uk web-site, Alan has an appeal currently appearing on Page 172 on Channel 4 but so far no response apart from someone who 'phoned Alan and told him about your web-site.

Geordie Halpin has a terrific memory and has sent me a list of names that he remembers and we hope that any of these will contact me or Alan, phone numbers at the end of message.

Mick Rodell, Nick Nicholls, Colin Gough, Taff Jayne, Roy Austin, Jack Melai, Brian Mullaney, Roy Lewis, Taff Evans, Don Harte, Don Swann, Pete Doyle, Alf Cresser, Bill Bailey, Staff Walker, Frank Batham, Mick Briggs, Tony Binelli, Taff Thomas,Maxie Maxwell, Pilot Officer Upton, Fl.Lt. Swann, Pete James,  Ted Hughes, Ted Peck, Bob Barfoot, Terry Bushell  or any other RAF or Army members there at that time

We do not have definite information about their whereabouts and contacting those of the same name on the UK2000 CD has so far proved unsuccessful.

Frank Smith was a friend that married a French girl and lived in Aix-en-Othe near Troyes, I unsuccessfully managed to contact him after searching through the French telephone directory then wrote to the Mayor of that town for help in finding him.  I regret to have to say that I had a telephone call from his grandson to say the Frank passed away last year.

I notice that someone by the name of Bob Ratcliffe is being searched for, perhaps there was a Bob that came after me or have they got my Christian name wrong?

I have not had a chance to look at the rest of your web-site but will do so when I send this off to you.  I congratulate you on what you have done in setting up this web-site, it is amazing after almost fifty years to be able to speak to these friends again.   We are hoping to organise a reunion next year.

Alan Donaldson 01933-397835
Albert Ratcliffe   01572-755724

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NOVEMBER 2001 From Albert Ratcliffe
Having had the chance to look at your excellent web-site I have realised that I should have mentioned that we were 757 Signals Unit attached to Bomber Command, we were transferred to RAF Butzweilerhof in February 1955. After the very relaxed conditions at Winterberg Butz came as a bit of a culture shock.  I remember us being hauled into the SWO's office and being told to go and dressed by airmen, also that the carnival had finished the day before, I must admit that we hardly conformed to regulations. Our officer did not enjoy his experience of the Officer's Mess much either so arranged  with our HQ to go down to the Kalmit at Maikammer, south of Heidelberg, on exercises and stayed for several weeks at a time. Lovely memories.

The American 601st Signals Unit was based at Winterberg too while we were there, I cannot remember any of their names but I was friendly with quite a few of them, if you can play the piano you are everybody's friend.

I will keep in touch and let you know of any contact successes.      Albert

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November 2001 From Reg Hall
I joined what became 124SU at RAF Chicksands not far from Henlow where the unit was in the process of being formed. There were twenty six of us and quite an  array  of  vehicles , two Bedford  QL`s  two Austin equipment vans with the radar GH sets installed plus a Bedford 15 cwt. Van for odds and sods. We also had   a   Bedford  water Bowser ,two  seven ton Austin`s  fitted with  Deisel generating  plant   another  Austin with extending sides to convert into a triple size office wagon and for the CO. a  Landrover.
Manning  was   if  I remember correctly a total of twenty six ,Flt . Lieutenant Stanley the C.O.  Sgt. Henderson  ,for the Technical signals side and Sgt. Jenkins for the M.T.Section. There were two Corporals Baker and Cunningham on the Radar watches and several lads ,four or six as watch  keepers ,a bunch of lads as drivers and myself and Don Cannon the cooks and one or two GDH`s.
We kicked our heels at Chicksands for a while and  eventually set off for the continent in convoy escorted by two “snowdrops” to guide us to Sandwich where we stayed  overnight before boarding the train ferry Lord Waldren the following morning .the crossing was calm and only two of the lads succumbed to Mal de Mere, on arrival in Dunkirk we made our way to a small Pension in the outskirts of the town  witch turned out to be a  small time House of  ill repute on the side  ,much to the discomfort of the liason  officer who joined us on disembarkation . The lads were billeted three or four to a room and the Nco`s were given the job of safe guarding our morals   ,I`m  glad to report that the morals appeared to be in good order when the next day we made our way to a Belgian Air Force Barracks  in Brussels  where we stayed  the night ,the next morning we discovered that the Barracks had been the scene of a  mutiny three days before and most of the Belgian erks thought we had been sent to help restore order. There was a bit of tension in the air and we were glad to be on our way again.
Our next stop on the grand tour was at Whan near to Cologne where we stayed for some while, I don’t have dates for the wanderings, but it took several months before we hit the road to a site at Adenuar in the Eiffel near to the Nurberg Ring race circuit, the technical site being on the course itself. We stayed there for some months before going to Butzweilerof for another bout of   heel  kicking ,  with the GH  lads going off for minor test runs lasting perhaps a day as part of schemes with “2ND  TAF.
Eventually   we made our way to Roberts Barracks near Osnabruck where we lodged on 38TH Field Regiment of the Royal Engineers, the barracks were allegedly pre-war SS accommodation , but I woudn`t  swear to that. After settling in there we set up what was to be our home base at Iberg and the pictures on the Iberg page show the site pretty much as we found it. As you entered the site up the hill road the tech wagons were parked up on the right hand side and the domestic stuff, the marquee-cook house cum mess on the left. Most of this stuff was parked fairly well up the site and the office truck, spare transport and the bowser on the lower short side of the hole witch we forbidden to enter. At the very far end of the site beyond the tree line a small desert Lilly was constructed and we made daily journeys to and fro to Osnabruck, . At Osnabruck we lodged on the Royal Engineers and made our daily trips to Iburg in one of the QL`s   where  Don  and I would prepare the midday meal  on a twin burner  petrol stove of the camping variety. This went on for several  months  lasting  throughout the  winter, with us  lot all issued with flying suit inners, and a Rum ration  each day.
The   following  spring brought  the start of the construction of  our new  domestic site  in the village of  Iberg  to which we moved in the early summer,  it was a great  relief to all of us as it was not far from the Gasthous where we spent most of our  evenings  in  concentrated  supping when in funds.  The time  passed  happily till it came round to  September of 52 and  I  travelled back to the UK and demob, I wouldn`t have missed  it for worlds.

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November 2001
Do you remember me?????
Alan Donaldson......together with Albert Ratcliffe,Roy Austin, Tony Simmons,Eddie Hessey, Geordie Halpin,etc......757 signals unit!!!!!!!! 
We were in the Sport Hotel and then moved to new billets further up the road in 1954 
In February 1955 we moved out to Butzweilerhof and from there we were mobile and camped out at Kalmit in southern Germany. 
E- mail me or call me on 01933 397835     Many thanks........          Alan. 

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November 2001
I've just found your site. It brought back many happy memories. I was at Winterberg for a short while in May 1949 and then had the good fortune to be posted to Wasserkuupe which was a 7K slave in the American zone. The rations were a bit different there! I left Wasserkuppe for demob in August 1950. Anyone else around who was at '32 or '24 at that time? Those were the days
Dave (Jack) Jackson.

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September 2001

Saw your email address on the ServicePals web site at http://www.servicepals.com and thought you might be interested in my web site at http://www.vimart.co.uk 

On my site you can search for old Service and civilian pals from any location even if you've forgotten their names!  You can also enter your own school, service and civilian history and wait for old friends to find you.

Good luck!

Ian Martin (Royal Navy 1964 - 1989)

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September 2001 From Dave Malcolm
Hallo Jim, Keith,
Jim, many thanks for your letter dated 10th. Sept. and congratulationson your retirement! - I've got another 17 Months to go (65) and amcounting the days.
It was great to hear from you again and I went into the Web site to bring
back old memories.Keith, you are doing a grand job and please keep it up.
I was pleased to see, that you want to open a new "fixer" page. Well,
as an old fixer op. I'm sure I've got some photo's laying around which
I could send onto you. Unfortunatly, I don't have the ability to scan them
and worst still, I can't put names to faces (including both of you !- oneexception is "biffo".)
Keep in touch and best regards,
Dave Malcolm
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January 2001
Hi Keith, By chance I have just visited the Winterberg web site and was delighted to hear about Winterberg again. I was stationed there from May 62 to March 64 and spent the best 20 months of my life there. I was an electrician on the MT section and worked with Corporal Jack Pratt, In charge was Flight Lt. Lamming. Sgt Mclinden was SWO and I have cut out of the local Winterberg newspaper dated Feb 1st 1964 an account of the hospitality shown by RAF Winterberg to the local community. Whilst I was stationed at Winterberg I played football for the local team for two seasons. I have a few photographs of parties held at the camp and when I find out how to scan them to you I will send them to you. I was sorry to see that I have missed the last reunion and if there is another one I will do my best to attend. 
Best Wishes   Dave Williams
daiwilli@hotmail.com

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August 2001.  From John Murray
Dear Keith, Well,you asked for it, so here’s attached text of part of item written up for a NS exhibition in the Red House Museum, Gomersal, Yorks (near Huddersfield)    Opening again in July.
It’s altogether 5 pages long, so I’ll just send you a sample….   What’s the intention of this?
Nordhorn. I think that a mate of mine, John Goddard, an Air Wireless Mechanic, was at Nordhorn in 1951. Went from Gutersloh and lived in a pub in the village. His duty being to take a VHF set out to the range when needed for communication with the planes when bombing practice. This may have been prior to the Gee chain there.

Incidentally, there’s a book by Gerry J.Lewis, an ex Education Officer who was at Gutersloh. It’s called “Flugplatz Gutersloh 1937-1987” (copyright 1987 by RAF Gutersloh and proceeds to RAF and Luftwaffe charities) and covers the history of the Station from its building by the Luftwaffe to late NATO exercises. Many photos included. 
I got mine from the station itself, but the last address I have for Lewis (in 1988) is F/Lt G J Lewis, BA MITD RAF, RAF Aldergrove, BFPO 808.  Tel Crumlin 22051 ext 31309… I doubt he’s still there! (His home was in South Wales, address unknown) 

John Murray, Honley, Huddersfield.  (previously contrib. To the W’berg page, and may have got some “false memories”, as I gather from the correspondence that the Gee chain didn’t come into operation until after my time (49-51). ANY CORRECTION WELCOME

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November 2000

Hi Keith, 
Just come across your web-site! I learnt to ski in Winterberg 1950... with the RAF. The "Snow Inn" cost 6d per day, I think, and ski school another 1/- (or it might have been the other way round). We went as often as we could on winter weekends, by train from RAF Guetersloh. I believe the head of the ski school was Kurt Vollmer, and we used ex Wehrmacht skis and suits, all in white. Difficult to find us when we fell in the gullies. There was a big ski jump there too. Got quite a few photos of us there. Old fashioned ash skis which you had to hot wax every day. I was jealous of the GEE chain operators, as they had skis issued to them, and could ski down to the town from their eagles nest (so I was told.. true?)

In 1989 I went back to Winterberg with my wife, and camped there. The Snow Inn had closed and was deserted. There was a new ski jump. The old ski lift "built by the British Army for the training of its troops. German civilians are however allowed to use it provided they comply with the orders of the person i/c lift"...  which didn't stop them pushing to the front) had been removed. While searching for it, with the help of my old photographs, we met the son of a grocer, a member of the Triumph Spitfire motor club of Germany (really. His car was kept in the drive-in basemant of the grocer's shop, on a carpet. It was, of course, immaculate) He'd been in the Deutsche Jugend and showed us photos of W'berg at that time, and presented me with the handbook of the Winterberg Ski Gemeindschaft. Strange to have been on opposite sides. I'm now Chairman of the local branch of the European Movement.... 

So, auf wiedersehen.
John Murray, Huddersfield   jmurray@breathemail.net

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October 2000. From Larry Phillips

Jim

I believe Keith has forwarded to you my earlier email concerning my father's tour at Winterberg & querying if you had any record of him (J1585402 Cpl Walter (Wally) Phillips). I now have a bit more info.

My father's tour at Winterberg was actually from '59 to '60. He was a Radar Operator, and was based there with Taff Wilde, Del Higgs & Paul Dunn, also operators. Their posts became disestablished following automation of the radar, and they were all then posted to RAF Goch, probably in spring '60.

While my father was at Winterberg, he was i/c mess & i/c canteen (secondary duties).

I was wrong about there being a still at Winterberg, it was apparently at the USAF base further up in the forest. My father can recall there being a severe breach of security at this base in that local girls were smuggled in and subsequently discovered, resulting in a large number of USAF airmen being prematurely returned to the States.

Regards,    Larry

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October 2000 From Larry Phillips

Thanks for the reply. I found your site by accident. We have a German girl
working in our office & I had mentioned that I had lived in Winterberg. She
didn't know where it was so last night I searched on Alta Vista so that I
could print off a map, and there also in the hits was your site.
I was very pleased to have come across the site as I enjoyed living in Winterberg, particularly as it was weeks before school was arranged for me (I had to go to Hamm - awful!). My brother & I were allowed in the camp social club (accompanied by my father) and I'm sure I can recall film shows being laid on.

On day my father showed me around the top floor of the Astenturm tower where
I proceeded to crush stinkbombs under the rubber mats! I had yet to learn about how airmen spend ages bulling floors etc, and I was only 13.

Cheers,   Larry

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October 2000. From Larry Phillips

My father 1585402 Cpl Walter (Wally) Phillips was posted to RAF WInterberg around 1960-61 along with the rest of his family (wife Joyce, sons Larry & Dougie). I was 13 at the time. We rented rooms in the village from a Frau Abel and I can remember the pig & cow living in the cellar. Our house was just a short distance from where Eric Finkle lived.
I can recall the pleasure of having a fistfull of BAFVS (correct abbreviation?) - even as low as 3d notes - for pocket money & spending this at the Dewdrop Inn.

My father often talks fondly about his posting to Winterberg and it is apparent that this was a memorable event in his RAF career. He now lives in Drayton, near Norwich. I followed him into the RAF and completed 22 years in 1987, my last posting being RAF Swanton Morley (where I ensured that my father was an Honorary Mess Member!).

I will try & persuade my father to contribute a story to your site - he has mentioned to me that there was some sort of fermenting device (or even a still?) that could be hoisted out of sight into a loft (of the kitchen?) during inspections. Also he says that once a couple of American servicemen went down the skijump on a motorcycle (they didn't live to tell the tale!)

Meanwhile do you have any records that mention him?

Regards
Larry Phillips

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Hi!
    My name is Mike Baker, formerly D0588869 Sgt. and I was the last one at Winterberg when it was handed over to the Bundeswehr in Dec. 1966. I have visited Winterberg quite often over the years and my wife and I will be the again just over 2 weeks for the Kirmas, staying with old friends.
    If you would like any details, I'll tell you what I can remember :just let me know. It's too late at the moment as I was on my way to bed when I came across this site.
All the best,
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You talked about other units formed at Raf Butzweilerhof 266 su was one of
those F/O ENGLISH AND FLT/LT B GOODHALL was part of 266 su we were not
stationed anywhere as we were a mobile unit.part of the GEE chain I did go to
WINTERBERG once and other members of the unit went there many times.someone
must remember 266 su. and as I said before I would like to make contact with
any 266 members. 
Ramon   isca@eurobell.co.uk
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From Norman Keat  October 30th 1999
Keith, 
  I  had just signed up with Netscape when a quick surf  found the RAF Winterberg site. 
Barry Robinson and I (both SAC GEE 'trained' Mechanics) were posted to 205 SU in August/September - the start of  the highlight of our  time in the RAF - I have just rung Barry and he agrees.     My first watch was with Roger Rutter, Biffo and Boris(?). 

    On the photo album page just below the Asten Turm there is Barry with his hand in the air- half my face on the left - and the back of Biffos' head. The extra photos showing the Winterberg Christmas party has the Army Doctor from the leave centre as Father Christmas (probably about the time he was overheard muttering 'I'm not having that fat girl sit on my knee') 

    If there was a chance of a another reunion I (and Barry) would like to be involved - my wife also joined me in Winterberg for a year (after my fitters course) in 1960 - she also has never recovered from the total unreality of it. 

    I have a few photos I will scan and send later. 
 

        Thank you for the Website and the recovery of some happy memories. 

                Norman Keat

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September 1999 From Peter Magnall

I received a message from Harry English, formerly C.O. at Uchte, in response to my letter containing lots of the information from the Winterberg website.Harry had this to relate: In September 1954 Harry was posted direct from OCTU to 2nd ATAF to be Station Signals Officer at Gutersloh but was diverted to Butzweilerhof where the NCO and Airmen members of the shortly to be formed North Germany GEE Chain were due to arrive later in the month. W.O. Coombes, Flt. Sgts Ayres & Cotton and Harry duly sorted out the members for each unit and for a brief period Harry was O.C. all four units.

In addition to those names above here are a few more remembered by Harry from early days at Uchte: 

Flt. Sgt. Ruthven,
Sgt. Pierce [Admin], 
Cpl. Roberts, 
Cpl. Lamsdell, 
Cpl.Wareham, 
Cpl. McKellow, 
Cpl. Bugg, 
Cpl. Pickles,
Cpl. Tay, 
Cpl. Ormston [M.T.],
Cpl Laidler, 
Cpl Bright, 
J.T. Tyrell [I thought it was Turrell],
J.T. Kamerling, 
SAC Adams, 
SAC Oakley, 
SAC Cochrane, 
SAC Stewart, 
SAC Maxwell, 
SAC Ablett, 
SAC Braithwaite [Medic}, 
LAC Derrick, 
LAC Forshaw, 
CPL Kent, 
SAC Warwick, 
LAC Kelly, 
SAC McLusky, 
SAC Smith, 
SAC Dooler [MT Driver]
NOTE: the bracketed notes are my additions.
In March 1958 [1957] Harry was relieved by Fg. Off. McCarthy, who was later  relieved by Flt. Lt. Reagan.

If I remember correctly there is a very interesting story attached to Flt. Sgt. Cotton which I might relate at a later date because it will take some time in the telling. 

Peter

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August 1999  From Roger Rutter, ex Winterberg newly 'discovered' by Jim

Dear Keith,

Thanks for the e-mail just received during a report I was doing on Botswana (crazy business I am still into).

Good to hear that you are going well and now domicled in the big city. Hope you are still pursuing your photography as I always knew you were an ace at that. How are you enjoying retirement - I have tried it more times than Frank Sinatra but each time something comes up to take me off again. Have spent the last 38 years overseas in some good and some not so good primative locations with the threat to life quite serious on occassions. At present am involves a) with moving house next week and b) South Africa and Morocco. My wife thinks I am losing my senses at my age.

I did often wondered over the years what had happened to yourself and others but I had no way of finding out, especially being abroad. It was a chapter that I think in one way or another changed our lives. Anyway, I would appreciate a background of who is doing what to who!!.

Sent an e-mail back to Jim but cannot get through (each time it is rejected). Maybe you could let me have his e-mail address then I could thank him for his phone call.

Anyroadup 'Bunge', must away and finish my report.

Very best regards,

Roger

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March 3rd 1999

Keith

Thanks to the wonders of the Internet and your Website on Winterberg I have received an E mail from Reg Hall who was stationed at Iburg between 1951-54. He was an SAC cook and although not on the technical side remembers that in those days Iburg was a slave station and known as 124 S U. I had a lengthy conversation about our time in Germany and he came up with the following names he remembered 

Ft Lt Stanley    Sgt Henderson (Tech)    Sgt Jenkins (M T) 'Taffy' (General Duties)    'Lofty' Goodall (Driver) married a German girl,   Charlie Green (Driver)    Don Cannon (LAC cook)
'Jock' Nicholson (Driver) fron Ayr

JIM

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From: Philip Hastings

 hastings@bcm.tmc.edu

 Subject: Here I am

 Keith

 How nice that one of you has email. I know of almost no other way to communicate now. You will all hear more of me if more of you get email.Perhaps you would post my address on your web site so that anyone else who is wired can find me. I live in Houston, Texas now, working at Baylor College of Medicine. I worked at the University of Alberta in Canada for 27 years, took early retirement, and then came back to work.I would love to come to a reunion some day, but as yet it has been impractical. Too much duty and responsibility and not much money. (I bet very few of the Winterberg gang made much money. Ah well, all we need is enough. Wouldn't that be nice.) I visit England once or twice a year to see family, but no visit has coincided with a reunion as yet. Perhaps we should arrange an unofficial one for whoever is nearby when next I pass through. I didn't try looking for your website yet, but I shall as soon as I have time. Phil

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 From Karen Wallis

 Hi Keith ,

 just browsing your site this am as My dad is Ex 4th entry RAF Compton Basset, and he saw it on teletext, and I tried hitting the link to service pals at clara net, the link did not work so I copied and pasted to my browser and discovered that instead of NET it says NOT which is why it doesn't work! I also cannot access the Royal wings site, there seems to be a full stop in the link between royal and wings when I copy and paste, otherwise a site I will be looking at on a regular basis as My father is seeking the whereabouts of someone named ? Van Geldern who was GRF at Nordhorn(330 signals unit) My Fathers name is John Pond trade Tel (aka Splash)

 Thanks and good luck with the site

 -- Karen Wallis

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 From Johnny Walker

Many thanks for your E mail received in early December.Like many of our generation I never did learn to type so this a very laborious process for me. However, I am going to give it my best shot so here goes. I got on to Keith's collection very quickly,I was surprised when it came up so fast.I think you have done an excellent job in getting this site up and running,  keep up the good work.
I then tried your new site but I got the problem you described on the last two lines of your ps.
Undaunted, I pressed on. Acidentally, I hit the X button to close the box, upcame the web site with 2 pictures. I exited the site then tried it again. It came up as before. Knowing nothing about computers I don't know what made it do that but it works.
For reference,I was one of the first to arrive at Winterberg in October1954, we were attached to 747SU at first, then they moved out and we became 205SU Myself and Terry Brown were demobbed in May 1964, so I may not have met you. Terry is one who we have not yet been able to contact, to the best of my knowledge he lived in Hackney London.Well, that's about it for openers, hope to see you in Winterberg in July.
                   Best regards, 
                                      Johnny Walker.

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From Ray Barker.

It is always a pleasure to receive news from an ex-Winterberger as I have only met one or two others who served there at the same time as me. I know that your contacts are mainly post 1950's when Winterberg was a somewhat different place from the one we knew and loved. Yes I still have a great feeling for the town and fortunately the memories of the war seem to centre on the good things, seldom on the bad or horrible.

I have looked at the web site and found it interesting especially as I had not previously known of it's existence so full marks for that even if the photographs seem to centre on conviviality rhather than work !!! 'well, why not'

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From John Welsh

Not bad but you could add the guys we know as well as the ones we want to find


From Jim Hooper

I'm new to this email game so I hope you manage to receive this message how are you getting on with your website for Winterberg do you now have a web address and if so how do I use it to look at the pages you designed a reply would be appreciated so I know this reached you.

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From Peter Magnall

Thanks for the letter, very interesting developments. I took a brief look at your web-site this evening but am rather pushed for time as we are going on holiday tomorrow.  I will study it in more detail next Thursday when I return.  I will also ask the advice of my eldest son regarding your web-site problems, it is not something I have ventured into as yet.  He has had one set up and expanding for a couple of years and he spends his working life installing local networks in schools and small businesses.
All for now, keep up the good work

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From Jim Hooper

Keith, thanks for your letter & Email. The 3 Winterberg pages are really excellent, well done !
I like your idea of a letter to everyone letting them know that 205 is up and running on
the Internet. I'm not planning a mailing at the moment but in the next couple of days I will send you a set of address labels to use.
I've had a quick look at the rest of 'Keith's collection', very impressive. If you have no objection, I would'nt mind you showing my Email address on the Winterberg information.

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From Trefor Naughton-Evans

      I have started to get aquainted with the Internet and I have just read your pages on  Winterberg. How about us setting up a site for all of  the personnel who served on the GEE chain so that we build a full picture of the work that was put in by so many ?

   As you probably know I was at RAF Iburg 140 Signals Unit (MASTER) , from June 1958 to August 1960.

Regards for now,

Trefor Evans (I was known as RAS, shortened down from Rasputin).

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From Ray Barker

Pleased to receive your letter, have looked at your web site and found it very interesting though it refers to a much later period than covered by my experiences. I have many photographs of that period together with various historical articles of the chain at that time. I am sending you a copy of the book which I wrote and you are welcome to use any or all of the articles  refering to Winterberg. Maybe some of your members would Like to buy copies as I still have a few remaining. Please keep me informed about future visitsto Winterberg as I am still very interested in the place and still have many    German friends I first met there during the war. Best Wishes  for 1999.

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